Sonoran Toad Venom & 5-meo-dmt Precautions
(These are not for human consumption, nor provided by me.)
Please note, additional guidance can be found at https://theconclave.info
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SPIRITUAL PRECAUTIONS:
Why do people choose to use 5-MeO-DMT, instead of ayahuasca, considering that 5-MeO-DMT has no tradition of human use and is known to be very dangerous compared to ayahuasca?
Generally, they do so because their ego is extremely entrenched, due to psychopathy, narcissism, and/or (c)PTSD, which blocks their ability to get powerful transcendental experiences from ayahuasca or meditation. Or, because they wish to avoid the moralizing guiding spirit of ayahuasca.
It is good that there is a drug which can help these people go beyond their ego, but unfortunately, what usually ends up happening is something called "Spritual Bypassing," in which people avoid doing the inner child loving kindness meditations to heal their traumas, and instead they use this drug to completely dissociate and dis-identify with all their traumas. When people spiritually bypass their inner child traumas, they end up using spirituality as an excuse for their abusive behaviors. This is seen in pretty much every guru, with very rare exception. They say things like "We Are All One" or they claim to be God, and this means they can do whatever they want (which is the Free Masonic creed, "Do As Thou Wilt").
You may have heard of Dr. Octavio Rettig and Dr. Gerry Sandoval. They are two of the most famous proponents & ceremonial providers of 5-meo-dmt. It turns out they are actually terrible people--looks like this substance is not able to turn an evil person into a good person, and it might even do the opposite in some cases:
https://5-meo-dmt-malpractice.org/
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84266
Do not let someone dose you up (nor even watch you while you are unconscious) unless you know & trust them.
For yourself, do not use this drug to avoid the inner-child self love meditations and conversations which are the key to becoming a peaceful, loving, and whole human being.
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The main alkaloid in terms of potency found in the venom is 5-MeO-DMT. Something like 1/3 to 1/5 of the venom by weight consists of this primary alkaloid. An average strong dose of the venom is about 50mg, while for pure 5-meo-dmt, 8-15mg is the high dose range. Never start at that dose.
Unlike most other psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT is extremely dangerous. Even taking 1/3 too much for you might be deadly, or permanently mind-shattering (according to a personal conversation I had with the admin of 5meodmt.org years ago). If combined with drugs that boost dopamine or serotonin (or MAOIs like in ayahuasca/harmalas/caapi/rue), the venom/5-MeO-DMT becomes much more deadly, but that doesn't stop certain people from promoting this risky combination. For more details on the potential interactions, please see this pdf.
If you can afford to work with a toad venom shaman, please contact my friend Antonio: https://linktr.ee/caciqueantonio
Antonio tells me that working with the toad venom has more anti-inflammatory physical benefits than working with pure 5-meo-dmt, and also that if you are able to tune into the frequency, you will notice that you can communicate with the Toad Spirit if using the natural venom.
One should have a clear understanding of why they are using such a dangerous compound vs something safer like ayahuasca, combined with Metta (loving kindness) meditation. Check out this Introduction to Metta meditation, thanks to Ajahn Sona.
My friend Oliver followed Ajahn Sona's metta meditation instructions in a cave for 5 weeks, and it has healed his cPTSD better than any other therapy he has ever done (including loads of 5-meo-DMT trips). Btw, his cPTSD came from an MDMA interaction with resveratrol which it has taken him 7 years to heal from and he's still not completely healed. MDMA can be used safely and effectively, however. The best use of MDMA is in the context of one-on-one therapy, ideally by a caring, qualified professional with the ability to do a mind-meld and help you let go of the junk in your emotional basement.
The safest and most therapeutic way to work with 5-meo-dmt seems to be the 90 minute trip you get from intramuscular (or even easier, subdermal) injection of 5-meo-dmt fumarate (12mg may be a good average dose). Watch the presentation to learn more: https://youtu.be/opsWlr0MIu8
But, most people are not skilled at safely using needles, and may prefer to start with something more accessible, which is the vaporization method:
I strongly recommend using a 5-meo-dmt vape cart with a known dosage per inhale. With a 2:1 ratio of PEG to 5-meo-dmt, you can inhale about 5mg on a low voltage full hit. I suggest taking 3-second inhales to make sure you don't inhale too much. If there is any heart pain or arrhythmia noted, one should immediately exhale and try a lower dose the next day. You can also take some things to protect your heart, like 5g of the amino acid taurine, or hawthorn extract.
Be ULTRA careful! This is your life. Keep in mind that when you hold the vape button on for longer periods, the heat increases which means increased dosage. When you sip slowly, the heat increases as well. Also keep in mind that if your vape cart is made with DMSO instead of PEG, DMSO is only safe to vape at low temperatures, lest it degrade and turn into formaldehyde or other toxic chemicals. Always use the lowest voltage setting on your battery. The safety of PEG at high voltages has not been sufficiently studied.
With strong doses of 5-MeO-DMT, nausea is common, but more scary is the inability to breathe (only scary for someone watching you, because you won't be aware of the body at that point). For this reason it is traditional to have a sitter who can spray water on your face if you stop breathing for too long (and try CPR if that doesn't work). Ideally one would have someone medically trained to supervise, but that is not always feasible. Dr. Octavio Rettig used to splash buckets of water on people, but multiple people have died of asphyxiation due to this approach. I am told that he no longer uses this method.
When the nausea gets too extreme people often vomit. Because they tend to vomit while out-of-body, they can die from aspirating said vomit, which is why a trip sitter is required to put you into the recovery position.
Much of these precautions can also be found at the 5meodmt forum, but with dosages reduced since they are speaking of pure 5-MeO-DMT rather than the venom.
VENOM USE INSTRUCTIONS:
The venom is more dangerous than the 5-meo vape carts, first because it is a natural product with variable potency, but mainly because it cannot be used to make vape carts and so your dose will depend on your scale and your vaping/smoking technique. It is however much safer to use the venom than to try to vape pure 5-meo-DMT freebase crystals since the venom is 3-4x less potent by weight. One can vaporize the venom easily with a butane torch (on Amazon) and a bong with a burnt match head to clog the cone hole and prevent the venom from falling thru. I highly suggest you purchase the "Salvia Pipe" for maximum safety, using only a small amount of venom in each of the cones so that you get just the right dose.
Before vaping make sure you eat just some fruit and drink some water so that if you need to vomit, doing so will be easy.
Tolerance builds within a minute or so, so try to get all of your dose inhaled within 2 hits. If you want to try again (with this or another substance) you should ideally wait at least a few hours.
(These are not for human consumption, nor provided by me.)
Please note, additional guidance can be found at https://theconclave.info
----
SPIRITUAL PRECAUTIONS:
Why do people choose to use 5-MeO-DMT, instead of ayahuasca, considering that 5-MeO-DMT has no tradition of human use and is known to be very dangerous compared to ayahuasca?
Generally, they do so because their ego is extremely entrenched, due to psychopathy, narcissism, and/or (c)PTSD, which blocks their ability to get powerful transcendental experiences from ayahuasca or meditation. Or, because they wish to avoid the moralizing guiding spirit of ayahuasca.
It is good that there is a drug which can help these people go beyond their ego, but unfortunately, what usually ends up happening is something called "Spritual Bypassing," in which people avoid doing the inner child loving kindness meditations to heal their traumas, and instead they use this drug to completely dissociate and dis-identify with all their traumas. When people spiritually bypass their inner child traumas, they end up using spirituality as an excuse for their abusive behaviors. This is seen in pretty much every guru, with very rare exception. They say things like "We Are All One" or they claim to be God, and this means they can do whatever they want (which is the Free Masonic creed, "Do As Thou Wilt").
You may have heard of Dr. Octavio Rettig and Dr. Gerry Sandoval. They are two of the most famous proponents & ceremonial providers of 5-meo-dmt. It turns out they are actually terrible people--looks like this substance is not able to turn an evil person into a good person, and it might even do the opposite in some cases:
https://5-meo-dmt-malpractice.org/
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84266
Do not let someone dose you up (nor even watch you while you are unconscious) unless you know & trust them.
For yourself, do not use this drug to avoid the inner-child self love meditations and conversations which are the key to becoming a peaceful, loving, and whole human being.
------------------
The main alkaloid in terms of potency found in the venom is 5-MeO-DMT. Something like 1/3 to 1/5 of the venom by weight consists of this primary alkaloid. An average strong dose of the venom is about 50mg, while for pure 5-meo-dmt, 8-15mg is the high dose range. Never start at that dose.
Unlike most other psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT is extremely dangerous. Even taking 1/3 too much for you might be deadly, or permanently mind-shattering (according to a personal conversation I had with the admin of 5meodmt.org years ago). If combined with drugs that boost dopamine or serotonin (or MAOIs like in ayahuasca/harmalas/caapi/rue), the venom/5-MeO-DMT becomes much more deadly, but that doesn't stop certain people from promoting this risky combination. For more details on the potential interactions, please see this pdf.
If you can afford to work with a toad venom shaman, please contact my friend Antonio: https://linktr.ee/caciqueantonio
Antonio tells me that working with the toad venom has more anti-inflammatory physical benefits than working with pure 5-meo-dmt, and also that if you are able to tune into the frequency, you will notice that you can communicate with the Toad Spirit if using the natural venom.
One should have a clear understanding of why they are using such a dangerous compound vs something safer like ayahuasca, combined with Metta (loving kindness) meditation. Check out this Introduction to Metta meditation, thanks to Ajahn Sona.
My friend Oliver followed Ajahn Sona's metta meditation instructions in a cave for 5 weeks, and it has healed his cPTSD better than any other therapy he has ever done (including loads of 5-meo-DMT trips). Btw, his cPTSD came from an MDMA interaction with resveratrol which it has taken him 7 years to heal from and he's still not completely healed. MDMA can be used safely and effectively, however. The best use of MDMA is in the context of one-on-one therapy, ideally by a caring, qualified professional with the ability to do a mind-meld and help you let go of the junk in your emotional basement.
The safest and most therapeutic way to work with 5-meo-dmt seems to be the 90 minute trip you get from intramuscular (or even easier, subdermal) injection of 5-meo-dmt fumarate (12mg may be a good average dose). Watch the presentation to learn more: https://youtu.be/opsWlr0MIu8
But, most people are not skilled at safely using needles, and may prefer to start with something more accessible, which is the vaporization method:
I strongly recommend using a 5-meo-dmt vape cart with a known dosage per inhale. With a 2:1 ratio of PEG to 5-meo-dmt, you can inhale about 5mg on a low voltage full hit. I suggest taking 3-second inhales to make sure you don't inhale too much. If there is any heart pain or arrhythmia noted, one should immediately exhale and try a lower dose the next day. You can also take some things to protect your heart, like 5g of the amino acid taurine, or hawthorn extract.
Be ULTRA careful! This is your life. Keep in mind that when you hold the vape button on for longer periods, the heat increases which means increased dosage. When you sip slowly, the heat increases as well. Also keep in mind that if your vape cart is made with DMSO instead of PEG, DMSO is only safe to vape at low temperatures, lest it degrade and turn into formaldehyde or other toxic chemicals. Always use the lowest voltage setting on your battery. The safety of PEG at high voltages has not been sufficiently studied.
With strong doses of 5-MeO-DMT, nausea is common, but more scary is the inability to breathe (only scary for someone watching you, because you won't be aware of the body at that point). For this reason it is traditional to have a sitter who can spray water on your face if you stop breathing for too long (and try CPR if that doesn't work). Ideally one would have someone medically trained to supervise, but that is not always feasible. Dr. Octavio Rettig used to splash buckets of water on people, but multiple people have died of asphyxiation due to this approach. I am told that he no longer uses this method.
When the nausea gets too extreme people often vomit. Because they tend to vomit while out-of-body, they can die from aspirating said vomit, which is why a trip sitter is required to put you into the recovery position.
Much of these precautions can also be found at the 5meodmt forum, but with dosages reduced since they are speaking of pure 5-MeO-DMT rather than the venom.
VENOM USE INSTRUCTIONS:
The venom is more dangerous than the 5-meo vape carts, first because it is a natural product with variable potency, but mainly because it cannot be used to make vape carts and so your dose will depend on your scale and your vaping/smoking technique. It is however much safer to use the venom than to try to vape pure 5-meo-DMT freebase crystals since the venom is 3-4x less potent by weight. One can vaporize the venom easily with a butane torch (on Amazon) and a bong with a burnt match head to clog the cone hole and prevent the venom from falling thru. I highly suggest you purchase the "Salvia Pipe" for maximum safety, using only a small amount of venom in each of the cones so that you get just the right dose.
Before vaping make sure you eat just some fruit and drink some water so that if you need to vomit, doing so will be easy.
Tolerance builds within a minute or so, so try to get all of your dose inhaled within 2 hits. If you want to try again (with this or another substance) you should ideally wait at least a few hours.